What You Think You Know About Trafficking—And What’s Real - Resilience & Relationships (R&R) - Stephanie Olson and Rebecca Saunders

In this conversation, Stephanie Olson and Rebecca Saunders explore the complexities and misconceptions surrounding human trafficking. They react to various media portrayals, debunk myths about age and vulnerability, and share cautionary tales for job seekers. The discussion emphasizes the importance of awareness, intuition, and understanding the realities of trafficking beyond sensationalized narratives.

takeaways

• Human trafficking is often misunderstood and misrepresented in media.
• Grooming is a common tactic used by traffickers, rather than outright kidnapping.
• All age groups can be victims of trafficking, not just children.
• Vulnerable populations, including those with mental health issues, are at risk.
• Job seekers should be cautious of red flags during interviews.
• Intuition plays a crucial role in recognizing potentially dangerous situations.
• Misconceptions about trafficking can lead to fear and misinformation.
• Target and similar stores are often wrongly associated with trafficking incidents.
• Trafficking can occur without physical transportation of victims.
• It's important to define trafficking accurately to understand its implications.

Sound Bites

"Human trafficking is a business."
"All ages are being trafficked."
"Pay attention to your intuition."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Reaction Videos on Human Trafficking
01:35 Debunking Myths About Human Trafficking in Public Spaces
10:07 Understanding the Grooming Process in Trafficking
12:29 The Reality of Kidnapping and Trafficking
13:59 Exploring Trafficking of Older Adults
15:38 Clarifying Misconceptions About Trafficking and Transportation
20:15 Addressing Vulnerabilities and Misconceptions in Trafficking
21:55 Understanding Trafficking Risks Across Age Groups
28:10 The Complexity of Human Trafficking
28:58 Job Seekers and Trafficking Awareness
33:08 Red Flags in Job Interviews
40:25 Final Thoughts on Safety and Vigilance
42:18 R&R Outro.mp4

Transcript

Stephanie Olson: 0:16

Foreign. Hello and welcome to resilience and relationships R and R. I'm Stephanie Olson. I'm here with Rebecca Saunders, yay. Okay, so we thought we would do some reaction videos, reacting to videos, because our work involves HT all the time. I avoid like the plague watching any videos about it, watching podcasts about it. Ironically, don't mind doing podcasts about it, listening to them, or watching movies, whatever it is, I'm just that's our everyday world, and so I kind of back off. But there are always those tiktoks and videos on HT that, I think would be kind of fun to react to, to see if that's accurate, to see what we're we're seeing, and I thought we could do it together. So these are cold, like we have not seen these videos. As far as I know I haven't seen it, so yeah, so let's, let's share it. We'll watch. We'll pause as as we need to and talk and okay, but here we go. Let's start with the first one. Yes, I'm sure they'll all be accurate. I'm sure that everything we are about to view is exactly what human trafficking is. So yeah, here we go,

Unknown: 1:46

y'all, I am some kind of jacked up right now, and I would be doing everyone a disservice, especially moms, if I didn't talk about what just happened to us at Target.

Stephanie Olson: 1:56

Okay, I just have to stop already and say, Target, why does everyone think all the trafficking is happening in Target? I don't know. I just I don't know. And I always say target is dangerous. Absolutely. I think this is how target is dangerous, though you walk in Target expecting to get one thing $300 later, boom, you're done. So I think they have some subliminal like, ooh, buy me, buy me at Target. But that's about the big not that bad things can't happen anywhere. They absolutely can, but target gets a bad rap for human trafficking for some reason. So all right, let's keep going.

Unknown: 2:56

And lo and behold, I come on here and just searched and found that there have been women that have been talking about this for five years. There were videos that dated back to 2020, this is the second time that we've been followed, me and my children in a local Target, and I live in the burbs. Y'all, I'm in the suburbia North Carolina, and we're not in a big city. So this can happen anywhere. Human trafficking is real, and they don't care. They do not care. It is a lot of money. Your life, your children's life, is worth a lot of money to these people. And I'm always very cautious and I'm always skeptical, and I'm really glad I am. We were in Target. I had my two children with me, and we were in the little girls section, and there was a man. He was probably late 20s, early 30s. He wasn't very old. He was by himself. He had an air pod in his ear, and he had a phone on his waist. He's looking at little girls clothes with no children. And so I was like, okay, whatever. Didn't think anything of it, but I saw him and made eye contact with him. So we walk around to the little boy section. Guess who follows us? To the little boy section? Yep. And at that moment, I knew right then he's following us. So at this point, we go over to the little boys clothes. What do you know? He happens to have no children with him, but he's also shopping in the little boys section. And so I knew at this point my guard was up. I put my daughter inside of the cart. I told my son, you hang on to the side of this cart. You do not walk away or let go. And so we walk over to the shoe section. Pause. So far, I'm not seeing any signs of trafficking, but I would like to say good on that mom for being observant 100% yes, crimes, and I love that she is watching her surroundings and keeping our kids close, because it does seem a little suspicious for. Now, so good for her. Okay, do okay, pause, and so we walk over to the shoe section. That motherfucker followed us over there. I had made eye contact with him twice now I look straight at him, dead in his eyes, and I said, I see you, and I know what you're doing. I have my phone and I will take your picture, and I will call the police, and they will be here to pick you up. I was like, Stop following me right now. And he was like, like, he was caught off guard for sure. And I said it loud enough so that the woman with her child next to me could also hear. So at this point, this had already happened to us, like a year or two ago, same exact target, and I was with my daughter, and two men followed us, and my husband wasn't anywhere close, and I knew you do not leave the store. Do not leave because somebody is in the parking lot waiting. Human trafficking is a business, and there's not just one person. There's never just one person. So whether there's multiple people in the store looking for someone or in the parking lot waiting, that's the truth of what is happening. So what would you like to say about that? Well,

Stephanie Olson: 7:16

she's got these pieces of correct and pieces of not at all accurate when it comes to human trafficking, I will agree now that we've gone to three different sections, that this person has followed her, and it probably is something now she's also a very beautiful woman. Maybe he's just trying to get her phone number. Who knows, right? And I'm not making excuses for a guy who's following someone his story. Probably shouldn't do that, but it doesn't necessarily have to be nefarious. Again, to your point, good on her for paying attention, being aware and watching her surrounding but I will say this human trafficking is a business. Absolutely. Can one person be a human trafficker? Yes, without anybody else helping, absolutely, one person can be a trafficker. Can there be a number of different people who can be a trafficker with them, yeah, but is that how they typically work? So go ahead, what did you want to say? I

Unknown: 8:28

you know this all just has the assumption, too, that you're going to get kidnapped exactly, and we know that that is very rare for traffickers. That's not it's not an effective business model that they use,

Stephanie Olson: 8:41

nope, no, it's not. And and I, I always say this. I always, you know, when we're talking to a group about about it, I always say, Okay, so let's say that I kidnapped you and three in my white van, which is really a black Honda, and drugged you and sold you. Are you going to be a good product for me? And the reality is, no, you're going to be afraid, you're going to be fighting, you're going to be drugged. I mean, this is you're not going to want to be there. But let's say I became the mom you've never had, and I spend time with you, and I build a relationship with you that over maybe a year's time, and then I say, hey, we need some help financially. We need to pay our rent. I need you to do this thing one time, five times Max. Are you now going to be a good product for me? And the answer is absolutely, because now you trust me. We know that if somebody wanted to traffic somebody, their best bet is taking a year and grooming this person, because you will have more opportunity. Even if we're talking about labor, there's still something to be said about. About a grooming process, even though it's going to look different, it might not be like a grooming process, like you would have with st, but you might have where you are, you know, hey, I have this job opportunity. You'd be perfect for this, whatever the case may be, but there is rarely kidnapping happening when it comes to human trafficking. Yeah, anything else on that? I'm gonna see the rest of this. Okay, sounds good. So I was able to

Unknown: 10:32

contact my husband, and he's like, I can be there in 20 minutes. I'm like, I will not leave the store, and I'm not dependent on a target security guy to walk me to my van. So at this point, my husband's on the way we're walking. We're going to get easter eggs. Homie is still in there. Now he's walking around with like a thing of paper towels. And I'm like, Oh, are we trying to blend in at this point? And so I just kept looking at him. I'm like, I still see you, sir. This is not uncommon. Unfortunately, I got on here, and there are stories again that go back to 2020, of women in with children or single being followed in targets. So target, you need to do better, because this is not cool. Like, how many women go to Target? That's target. Is a target now, okay, there are women, there are children. You're distracted. Their kids are running all over the place, like this one lady's kids were, like, all in between the clothes and stuff, and like, might have been out of control too. So you have to be cautious. You have to have your head on a swivel, don't trust any damn body, and don't let anybody talk to your children in public. Do not let I mean, it's really hard and and kid, you know, strangers always want to say, Hey, how you doing the cute kids on the nothing. So bring out that savage mode. It's time, ladies, do not be caught off

Stephanie Olson: 12:01

guard. So her point, yeah, don't be caught off guard. That's fair, right? Nice, yeah. And yet, that's probably not human trafficking, no. And we do know that there are stories upon stories upon stories of people being followed in target. People being followed, and I swear it's always target. I feel bad for target, but I think it's important to recognize there are people who absolutely go to all of those places to to do nefarious things. I had a friend who was in Target or Walmart, and she was shopping and she just stepped away from her cart and someone stole her handbag. That happens, right? And that is more likely what will happen in a store like that than you being trafficked. Now you could have somebody come up to you and start talking to you and build a relationship. And the fact that you aren't gonna have your children watch that. That's a good thing, right? I think that making sure that you teach your children boundaries and all those things, but it is probably not a trafficking situation. All right, let's watch another one. Anything else that she said that you think? No,

Unknown: 13:27

I love how protective she is over her kids, like I think as parents, is what we need to be, not trafficking and

Stephanie Olson: 13:35

again, kidnapping happens. I am absolutely not saying kidnapping doesn't happen. I'm just saying it's probably it doesn't look like that.

Unknown: 13:48

Okay? Which is good information to have, because you want to know which type of potential criminal you're dealing with, right?

Stephanie Olson: 13:56

Exactly, 100% you all right, let's watch this. Why older adults between 35 and 60 are being trafficked. And here's what I will say, all ages are being trafficked. So right there. Correct,

Unknown: 14:17

correct. Yeah, okay. Posted a Tiktok a couple days ago about a class that my sister took and the ages of trafficking that are popular. And a lot of you did not know that older age groups are 100% being trafficked and at high amounts. And a lot of you guys want to know why. Well, here is a few reasons why. The older you get, your body starts to it starts to break down. You're easier to transport. Your body isn't as youthful as it once was. You're not going to put up the biggest fight that you might have in your.

Stephanie Olson: 15:00

Um, okay, I'm getting offended, but okay, go ahead.

Unknown: 15:04

Six year old women, their bodies are not what they used to be. So again, they're easy to transport. Okay? Number two, so human trafficking does not require transportation, correct? Yeah, you can be trafficked from your own home, your school, anywhere. It does not require movement. I think this is a common misconception that human smuggling and human trafficking are the same, and they are not

Stephanie Olson: 15:38

absolutely and we know that, yeah, familial trafficking is huge, and so individuals are trafficking family members. So you can be living at home, you can be trafficked by someone and not leave the area you're leaving. And frankly, as someone who is older than 35 I think traveling is harder today, but that's just me. Okay. I'm learning about how my body is wearing down right now, but yes, okay, here we go.

Unknown: 16:16

As a child, we're easier to go under the radar than a child who was born in the United States who has documentation on him or her from you know, couple years ago. The older you get, the less that documentation is harder to find. Okay number three, okay.

Stephanie Olson: 16:40

Explain what she's saying about documentation being harder to find. She's talking about US citizens, because that's what it sounded like to me. But I'm not sure how we got there, because my documentation is pretty easy to find. If I mean as a US citizen, I don't I think it's actually easier to find my documentation as an adult than it is a child, because children's documentation is not used as frequently. Yeah, that Okay, and here's what I will also say about documentation. So again, US citizens, if we're talking specifically US citizens, we know that US citizens are trafficked for both sex and labor and quite a bit. And if you're overseas, or if you're a US citizen and going overseas, traffickers do often take the documentation from individuals who are being trafficked. But I don't understand the easier to find peace. And maybe we should just keep listening, because that's interesting. A

Unknown: 17:45

lot of you guys might not know this, which this one's pretty interesting. A lot, the older you get, the more mental health we require. And a lot of people who are in mental health institutions or in situations where they have to be placed in mental wards or, like prisons, drug addicts, all of that. A lot of times they will be put into homes after they're coming out of whatever kind of program that they are in, or whatever kind of facility that they are in, and it's like their middle ground to where they want to end up being. Well, that middle ground. A lot of times, those facilities can be trafficking facilities under the guidelines of being a quote, unquote, halfway home. Okay, so those women and men become very much easier targets in trafficking, because a lot of those organizations are underground trafficking organizations, and I hate to break that to you, right, right?

Stephanie Olson: 18:50

Okay, so I have heard Okay, so there's so many layers to that one. Alright, first of all, I think the point is that I'm thinking that what she's talking about are multiple vulnerabilities. I don't think that has to do with age. No, I don't think because you're 35 to 60, you're going to end up in a halfway house because your mental health breaks down. That was that that did not make any sense. There are extra multiple vulnerabilities, and so traffickers do go after individuals with multiple individual or multiple vulnerabilities at times. And some of those multiple vulnerabilities could be mental health, some of those could be disabilities, some of them could be addiction. Some of those could be living in a group home, or restoration home, or something like that. I am really concerned when people indicate that most of those places are. Are built for trafficking, or that they are used as a under or, you know, cover for trafficking. And I've heard that a lot, that is not, there's no empirical data that that is true, and

Unknown: 20:15

even just, I mean, yeah, there's no empirical data for that. Even doing the work that we do, we're not seeing that like it's that's not a thing that happens. It's frequently,

Stephanie Olson: 20:28

not frequent. Yeah, you know that. We absolutely know that there are places that have just like money laundering, there are places who are anti trafficking, who have started traffic. I mean, we know that stuff exists. It's not common. It's it's pretty rare. The majority of anti trafficking organizations are really do want to prevent trafficking, I would say certainly addiction. I mean, I'm a recovering alcoholic and addiction halfway houses, the majority, not that there are barriers and things that can't have issues. So I think anything low barrier is going to have maybe drugs flowing through it. Or maybe, you know, we know that some safe houses or or halfway houses are low barrier an opportunity for you to stay somewhere and might have some things going through it. That doesn't mean that they're made for drugs or they're made for trafficking or whatever the case may be, and I don't understand the correlation of as you age.

Unknown: 21:40

Yeah, that did not make any sense to me either. I mean, even just looking at minors, they can be in Congress for whatever reason or treatment. Disagrees. That's, yeah, it's not necessarily more common as you get older.

Stephanie Olson: 21:55

No, I would say it's less less common. And I mean, unless she's speaking to retirement homes, which, and we have seen situations where trafficking has happened in and out of retirement homes, or things like that. We have seen that. And I am not even saying that this age group isn't at risk, right? Because everyone, but I would not call, I would say that the majority of 35 to 60 year olds are not in the retirement home arena her I'm just gonna go there with the majority of, I mean, 60 is pretty young in the long, great, grand scheme of things, and definitely not retirement home forward. So okay, here we go.

Unknown: 22:50

Um, also social security, veterans and benefits. You can be trafficked while somebody is milking your benefits. Children, we don't have benefits. Elderly adults too. So those are just a few reasons. There's multiple, multiple other things that you need to worry about. But again, like I'm 42 I would put up the biggest fight of my life, but I

Stephanie Olson: 23:22

Okay, okay,

Unknown: 23:26

okay, go ahead. We're gonna have to pause pretty soon again, just from that sentence that we cut her off on. But I know so yes, someone can be trafficked while they are simultaneously getting their benefits stolen from them. Hundreds can happen, are people trafficked for their Social Security benefits? No, not really. I mean, I mean you can Yeah, is yeah, it's the use of force, fraud or coercion to compel an individual to provide commercial sex acts or labor services or labor Yeah. So the thing there is, they're making money off of your exploitation, which is going to exceed your Social Security benefits. More than likely it does. That does not make sense well.

Stephanie Olson: 24:13

And also, again, 35 to 60 are probably not getting Social Security benefits right unless, of case of disability, disability right based on your age.

Unknown: 24:29

Well, and she had mentioned that children do not get benefits, but it depends on where you're looking, foster care subsidies, I mean absolutely, disability benefits, it's really not an age based thing, necessarily.

Stephanie Olson: 24:43

And I think the other thing too is we have to remember what trafficking is. Are there people who are taking advantage of senior citizens? And by the way, I would not be calling 35 to 60 that. But are there people. Well, I'm just going to hold on to that strongly. But are there people taking advantage of senior citizens and their their benefits? Or, you know, taking over? We've seen that where somebody swoops in and says, Hey, I will be your financial guardian and and then they take their money. Things like that can absolutely happen. We've seen that. We just have to be really careful what trafficking or to to really define what trafficking is. And you just did, thank you. And again, if you listen and she's she's about to say this, but the the idea behind everything she's saying is a kidnapping mindset. There's no building of a relationship, there's no grooming. There's just, I'm going to kidnap you, I'm going to steal your benefits. I'm going to take your documentation with all of which can happen, right, but things, but not right? It's not, it's not a typical thing. And she's about to tell us she will put up a massive fight. So let's, let's listen to her

Unknown: 26:19

know that my body is not what it used to be. I've been through multiple surgeries. I've had two children. Like, I'm tired, and I already know that if somebody were to try to snatch me, and like, if I was taking a midday block and somebody tried to snatch me and put them in their car, like, more than likely, if there were two of them, yeah, like, no matter how strong and no matter how alert you are, even if you do carry like somebody can like that at the blink of an eye when you're not even suspecting it. So stay

Stephanie Olson: 26:50

vigilant. So yes, somebody can snatch us at any time. That's not likely with human trafficking. So do stay vigilant. I guess I get I, I always struggle with the I was in a class and was taught this. And I think what class was that not one. We taught no and I do understand that people can walk away with with questions, like, I mean, we've taught stuff, and then I'm sure there are still people who walk away with, yeah, and kidnapping. It's like, I've told you 15 times, that's not a typical thing, right? Most people who are trafficked are trafficked by someone they know. The majority of people don't even self identify that they're being trafficked. I did a whole thing on, what does it mean to not self identify? And then familial trafficking is massive, and so these are family members, or, you know, these, these are not people who are getting snatched in Target or on the street or whatever. And so that was, that was an interesting one. I thought, Yeah, anything else on on that?

Unknown: 28:10

Yeah, I I'm sure that the survivors of human trafficking out there wish that it was as easy to spot as someone grabbing off the street. But the reality is, there is so much emotional manipulation that goes on. I mean, it's very difficult to even determine what is happening when it's happening right, much less to get away from that right, not to minimize kidnapping that is horrific in itself. But it's an easier distinction for our brains to make that this is wrong, whereas that use of fraud and coercion over time and someone grooming you, it's a lot harder to take that first step of recognizing I did not deserve to be treated this way.

Stephanie Olson: 28:53

100% Yeah, for one more. One more. Here we go. So I

Unknown: 28:58

want to do a caution to all current job seekers. Something happened to me.

Stephanie Olson: 29:04

Okay, the audio and the sinking is totally off. That'll drive me crazy, but that's all right. Here we go.

Unknown: 29:12

About two months ago that I was debating on talking about I haven't told most of my friends, that was extremely terrifying. So I quit my job about two months ago. A little background about me. I went to old mess. I've had about eight years of experience in relationship management, working with companies, really big companies, Google, etc, a lot of other tech companies. And when I quit the current company I was at, I just thought, okay, I can just find another job on LinkedIn. It'll be easy. I didn't realize that there are people on LinkedIn that are targeting. Campaign to human traffic people. So just to give you a little idea of what happened to me, I talked to a recruiter on the phone. This company seemed legit, and then the company I working for was a subsidiary company, so a company under them, and it was in the media field, and I was, you know, interviewing for a lot of different places, so I wasn't paying attention as much as I probably should have, as to asking questions up front. But the recruiter after our initial interview said, you know, the head of the department, would love to meet you. Would you mind meeting at a place about 45 minutes away? So Long Beach, because if she lived in LA, I lived here, it was in between. So I thought, no problem. Obviously, I needed a job. So fast forward. I'm beginning to think, Okay, this is kind of weird, like my intuition, I was beginning to think something was a little off. So right before the interview, I messaged the recruiter, and I said, Hi, can you please send me the address of the corporation in Irvine, and she said she didn't know it. So flag number one, two on my own, I couldn't find the office that I would be going to, which was weird, but I thought, okay, maybe it's brand new. Maybe they're starting out. I just didn't think anything of it. So I ended up going to meet up with, you know, the head of this department. And right when I met her, I felt like there was something off. She wasn't asking me any questions about my resume, any KPI questions I was asking her, just something felt very off. So I applaud her for listening to her intuition. I think a lot of times when we feel that feeling, start to rise of like, Oh, something feels strange here. I'm not quite sure we talk ourselves down, right?

Stephanie Olson: 32:14

Yes, I'm like, Oh, it's fine. I'm just freaking out. I'm being silly, right?

Unknown: 32:20

But that is important to pay attention. Attention. It's important to pay attention to your intuition. Because, I mean, if you look it's there's usually something to that.

Stephanie Olson: 32:33

I agree. Yeah, if something doesn't feel right, if something's off, go with that. And so far, her story is really interesting. I think that I appreciate that we're talking about labor trafficking at this point, because I do think that there are a lot of opportunities to that you have to apply for a job when there's an opportunity for someone to take advantage of you or exploit you. And so I appreciate this one a lot. All right, here's part two. Okay,

Unknown: 33:09

so part two, so I get to the restaurant to meet this woman, and originally, like, right off the bat, I just feel like there's something off. She's not asking on my resume. She essentially is just trying to keep me there, like she keeps ordering Diet Cokes. Doesn't really know anything about the company. I asked her where the location of the office is, and she didn't she answered, saying, oh, Jim and Bob are in the office, and Karen can show you where the basement is. And I realized, well, a there's no basements in California. And two, why? Like, why can't you just tell me where the office is? So this is the second person that is just not being able to tell me the offices, but she's asking me every single question outside of anything job oriented. So I ended up being there for about two hours, and I just felt like she was trying to keep me there as long as possible. So finally, it's over. I, you know, go to my car, and I say goodbye, and I'm walking to my car, and I'm be lining it just thinking, like, okay, there's something wrong here. And then as I pull up, as I'm walking in my car, a black SUV pulls up right next to my car, and I have a convertible and rolls on the window and says, Hi, are you Brenda? And original? Immediately I knew right off the bat, okay, do not I just Cory had popped in my passenger seat, locked the door, got drove out of the parking structure, and this car followed me for about two miles, and I, when I turned on my car, it said, track incomplete, and my rear view mirror was all the way turned up. So this person could have gotten into my. Car. Maybe that's why she was trying to stall me. I don't know, but the moral of the story is, human trafficking, regardless of what this could have been, doesn't restrict any demographics, so it doesn't matter if you're 1028, doesn't matter. So essentially, if the recruiter doesn't know the address of the actual company you're working for, don't go. And then if the interview is somewhere other than the office, it's another red flag. And then if the company's website doesn't have a phone number and a legit address, there's something wrong. And mind you, I applied for this job on LinkedIn, thinking it has to be reputable, but you really never know. So all job seekers be very cautious, because you really don't know what's you know what's real and what's not anymore. So just be

Stephanie Olson: 35:56

careful. Okay, well, interesting. So I think this is great advice. I don't know what the story with the black SUV is. I don't think it was that she was going to get kidnapped or something like that. But as far as job seekers go, I think what she talked about was right on, yeah, and that it doesn't matter if it's LinkedIn, if it doesn't matter if it's indeed job announcements or job whatever can happen anywhere that are legit or not legit. And so you do need to be mindful

Unknown: 36:35

Absolutely. Yeah, that's that's good advice. The only thing that she said that I was like, not always, is when she said office in office, because

Stephanie Olson: 36:46

I thought the same exact thing. I was like, Okay, well, we would never do an interview in an office, because we actually don't have any so

Unknown: 36:58

red flag when we met at the coffee shop,

Stephanie Olson: 37:00

that's right, yes, we actually all work out of our home, and so our interviews are always at a coffee shop. Like, if they're in person, they're either on Zoom or they're at a coffee shop or something.

Unknown: 37:16

There is a legit website with a phone number, an address I can mail things too. I can find reviews, yes. So there are other things to look forward to,

Stephanie Olson: 37:25

and that's a good point. You have to be able to vet those things. You should absolutely be able to, like, go to Glassdoor and see, is this a legit company? Go to the Better Business Bureau. You should be able to find information on this company and what they are. My kids constantly are, every summer get like these blank envelopes from, you know, a no name company. And, hey, it's summer. Do you want to earn $25 an hour and all of this stuff and with no information and no, yeah, so I actually really liked this video outside of the SUV thing, I don't know now, that was weird. It didn't feel good. I agree with Sarah that No, totally planned and but the other thing she said was whether this was human trafficking or something else, and I appreciate that too, because we don't know what it was. Yeah, yeah. There wasn't enough information to determine Yes, that was trafficking or, you know, but there was something nefarious going on. And I don't trust anyone who drinks Diet Cokes. No, totally kidding, but the fact that the woman couldn't answer anything about the company itself. But even more intuitive, and I thought this was great on her, is that she didn't ask anything about her resume. Yes. I mean, that's going to be the first place people go when they're interviewing someone. Tell me about yourself. Let's talk about your resume. Let's talk about your experience. And if that, and that's the other thing with trafficking, experience is not necessary. So you'll see those job posts that no experience necessary will train you or earn$200 a day with no experience necessary. That's a very typical thing that that you might see. And it's just

Unknown: 39:40

if it looks too good to be true, it's because it is

Stephanie Olson: 39:43

yes, absolutely. And we know that that labor trafficking can look like a number of things, sales things, you know that there's just so much traveling sales, is what I'm trying to say. I was almost recruited into a very weird traveling sales thing. And for. Unfortunately, I got away from that, and who knows what that was, but I think this was a good video. I think it was good advice, and much more along the lines of the things that you really do need to watch for and vet when looking for a job. And yes, whether it's LinkedIn indeed or anything like that. False posts can be anywhere. Absolutely, okay, yeah, well, this is fun. Let's do this again.

Unknown: 40:30

I like that, yeah, listening, watching. If there is a video that you've seen that you want to get our take on, send it to us, yeah,

Stephanie Olson: 40:38

absolutely, whether it's on human trafficking social media, or even mental health and trauma or things like that. We would love to look at those and say Yay or Nay, but I'm so glad we ended on a good one. So yeah, way to go, Brittany for that information, and it's and I'm sorry that happened, but good, I mean, but she really did, yeah, she paid attention, she left, I would say that the minute, because she made a comment. This is not a hit on her by any means, but she made a comment that she spent two hours there, and yet, based on what I'm hearing, she knew immediately there was something off. This goes back to those boundaries, and it is okay to say, You know what this job is not for me. Thank you for your time. I'm gonna not waste both of our times, and there is nothing wrong with that. Get up as soon as you feel uncomfortable. I know we are trained that's rude, and we don't want to do that, but I think at any moment that you feel like that, gut check like, Oh, this isn't right. It is okay to say thank you so much. This is not for me. I'm not interested. I appreciate it. Good luck in your search. I will give you your time back. Awesome. Okay, well, we will do this again. This was fun, and thanks for joining us and go and get some R and R. We'll see you next time you you.